Through search and recontextualization, artists Louis Blue Newby and Laila Majid’s collaboration moulds their individual artistic practices into a shared visual language of image culture, the transience of the digital space, and, ultimately, desire. Having worked together since 2018, Newby and Majid have now opened Inner Heat, their first institutional solo exhibition at Goldsmiths Centre for Contemporary Art in London.
For METAL, Kollektiv Collective discuss with the duo the tension amidst addition and erasure, formalism and intimacy, private and public spheres, revealed in the hazy, playfully evasive texture of their drawings. In a durational, complex exercise of layering and processing digital imagery, repetition becomes an act of mediating and destabilising surfaces and appearances. Also, as a way for the two pairs of hands to work indistinguishably as one, repetition re-contextualises source material, collapsing temporalities and techniques and altering perceptions in the process. Visit Inner Heat on view at Goldsmiths CCA until 12 January 2025.
You opened your first institutional exhibition, Inner Heat, at Goldsmiths CCA earlier in November, congratulations! Having seen you in your studio at the beginning of 2024 already working on the show, we trust it has been a long process — do you feel the exhibition and its concept have changed over time? We’re also curious about the exhibition title!
Laila: We always try to be careful and controlled when we approach shows, these works needed the space that they did, and we wanted to place an emphasis on the process of drawing alone. When making these works, there is no way of rushing them.
Inner Heat is a phrase that we came across in a chapter by Michael Taussig called Secrecy Magnifies Reality. Taussig discusses how secrets pulsate with this “inner heat” and what happens in the process of their revealing, which he describes as this volatile, destabilising flash of exposure. It was a really important text for the show and contextualises a lot of the ideas that we were playing around with.
Inner Heat is a phrase that we came across in a chapter by Michael Taussig called Secrecy Magnifies Reality. Taussig discusses how secrets pulsate with this “inner heat” and what happens in the process of their revealing, which he describes as this volatile, destabilising flash of exposure. It was a really important text for the show and contextualises a lot of the ideas that we were playing around with.
In Inner Heat, your graphite-on-paper drawings are as delicate as they are monochromatic. Can you talk to us through your choice of medium?
Louis: The premise behind the Contact drawings is to take found images, often rapidly consumed then discarded, and take them through a long and drawn-out process of transformation. Pushing the image through different lenses, textures and mediums, it eventually becomes something very different. There is a formality to the drawings that we like, one that transforms disposable images into something that actually demands your time and attention and calls for a different type of reading. Such a formality and resulting austerity is contained in the graphite surface, creating a coldness and also instilling the images with a power that they never had.
It also gives it a more manual, more analogue appeal. Had we done them in colour, they would have carried through the vividness of the digital images, and you wouldn't be able to see all the layers of processing, like stripping back information and blowing the images up, all these steps produce difference, though visually tied to the original sources.
It also gives it a more manual, more analogue appeal. Had we done them in colour, they would have carried through the vividness of the digital images, and you wouldn't be able to see all the layers of processing, like stripping back information and blowing the images up, all these steps produce difference, though visually tied to the original sources.
You have previously used found imagery from both print and online sources — from old magazines to online forums and subreddits to Pornhub — but for this show you are only working with the digital. There is a play between the ephemeral, yet reliable nature of graphite and the seemingly permanent, yet intangible quality of the Internet — both are safe in a weird way and fragile in a weird way. How do you negotiate that in your work?
Louis: Online images, traditionally, are consumed pretty quickly. Translated to drawing, this process changes. At the core of our collaboration is our interest in image culture and its consumption. Ephemeral online images with often questionable ownership fly through numerous hands, touching a lot of people, making them almost weightless. Our drawings solidify that intangible character, rendering the images physical, while also leaning into a certain phantasmic potential. The hazy surfaces don’t allow the viewer to get close, to understand or consume easily. As much as the surface gives you, it also withholds.
There is an eroticism in that relationship. The image, once readily consumable, suddenly withholds itself, denying or controlling one's access to it. It claims autonomy, pushing you back as much as it pulls you in.
There is an eroticism in that relationship. The image, once readily consumable, suddenly withholds itself, denying or controlling one's access to it. It claims autonomy, pushing you back as much as it pulls you in.
With seemingly endless links to curiosities just clicks away — what is your favourite place on the Internet?
Laila: Things have a habit of arriving at your phone. Scrolling on Instagram, TikTok or Reddit, sometimes you’ll find something very unexpected. We also spend time combing through different forums, they are a great resource, you never know what you’ll stumble across. Counterpublics, anonymous groups of people connected through shared consumption, exist across online and print cultures.
Louis: To give you an example: in the work Contact (Forum), is a stag in the forest and a person wearing a Halloween mask that we found via a feed that compiles bizarre trailcam photography.
Louis: To give you an example: in the work Contact (Forum), is a stag in the forest and a person wearing a Halloween mask that we found via a feed that compiles bizarre trailcam photography.
In your drawings, found imagery is hand-transcribed onto paper. Repetition as a concept has occupied thoughts of many, e.g. for Kierkegaard repetition is a way to understand life, or for Deleuze repetition in itself continuously creates novelty. What does the process of replicating, or repeating, mean to you?
Laila: Repetition, for us, is tied to the idea of mediating and destabilising specific textures and surfaces. In that way, it becomes this process of possibility, change or recontextualization. There is also a type of intimacy in that: the more the image gets repeated, the more time is spent in contact with the work.
Louis: That echoes in the repetitive nature of our process as well. Line by line, the drawings are created through prolonged exposure and touch. This is especially true for the larger works where the same image may be drawn more than once it is intimate yet strange to do the same thing over again.
Louis: That echoes in the repetitive nature of our process as well. Line by line, the drawings are created through prolonged exposure and touch. This is especially true for the larger works where the same image may be drawn more than once it is intimate yet strange to do the same thing over again.
There is a linear structure that underlies your drawings. Can you tell us more about it, and also about the push and pull dynamic between addition and erasure in your process?
Laila: We screenshot our online sources, and re-photograph them from a screen, using a thermal print camera — a printer and a camera in one. Like a receipt printer, it doesn't print in ink but relies on heat and pressure instead, which creates really fine lines — that’s where the linear structure comes from. After that, those prints are scanned again, enlarged, and then we create the drawings from them.
Interesting things happen when you turn the original pixelation of a screenshot into this linear pattern; it disrupts the texture, although you get the sense that you might be looking at something that is a bit pixelated or a bit out of focus — a new grain or an analogue texture is applied to what is otherwise quite a smooth digital image.
Louis: The transference from one to another was something that conceptually interested us, but also, speaking on a pure material level, the linear structure gave us a way in which we, as two people, could produce a drawing that feels truly uniform. This mechanical process of production allows us to replicate the lines, removing the individual hand from the work. The lines help to flatten things out and make it possible for us to draw together.
From the initial linear structure comes the process of addition and erasure. To get that soft application, we have to lay down a layer of graphite, and then remove the vast majority of it. And then we lay it down again. The rubbing away creates that sense of direction and movement that you feel in the drawings. It makes people wonder whether the drawings were made really quickly or really slowly — you don't quite know just by looking at them.
Interesting things happen when you turn the original pixelation of a screenshot into this linear pattern; it disrupts the texture, although you get the sense that you might be looking at something that is a bit pixelated or a bit out of focus — a new grain or an analogue texture is applied to what is otherwise quite a smooth digital image.
Louis: The transference from one to another was something that conceptually interested us, but also, speaking on a pure material level, the linear structure gave us a way in which we, as two people, could produce a drawing that feels truly uniform. This mechanical process of production allows us to replicate the lines, removing the individual hand from the work. The lines help to flatten things out and make it possible for us to draw together.
From the initial linear structure comes the process of addition and erasure. To get that soft application, we have to lay down a layer of graphite, and then remove the vast majority of it. And then we lay it down again. The rubbing away creates that sense of direction and movement that you feel in the drawings. It makes people wonder whether the drawings were made really quickly or really slowly — you don't quite know just by looking at them.
Tell us more about the benches placed in the Goldsmiths CCA exhibition space and the handrails underneath Contact (Forum). They seem to simultaneously offer support and ensure distance between the viewer and the drawings. What was your thought process in shaping this encounter?
Laila: Once more, there is a push and pull here: the benches are designed to allow rest, but you can never really sit comfortably. The handrails work in a similar way: as functional design, you can hold them, but they really create a barrier in front of the work, pushing you away.
Louis: They are objects lifted from public spaces; we were interested in the relationship between the private relationship we have with images in that wider context. There is a threshold between the private and the public that we wanted to situate our work in for this show. It was great to be given the time and ability to think about the context of the space, its history and architecture, and how we wanted this body of drawings to be shown.
Louis: They are objects lifted from public spaces; we were interested in the relationship between the private relationship we have with images in that wider context. There is a threshold between the private and the public that we wanted to situate our work in for this show. It was great to be given the time and ability to think about the context of the space, its history and architecture, and how we wanted this body of drawings to be shown.
The subject matter of erotism, desire, fetish and representation in your work is often obscured or not obvious at the first sight. Talk us through your intentions?
Louis: There's a playful deviancy in a lot of the works that you might not immediately notice but reveals itself over time. It is equally rewarding when people who know what they're looking at understand it and build a personal relationship with the images. There is a playfulness that allows some aspect of disidentification, which makes it possible to read out works as quite formal drawings. The idea is to recode or recycle that formal language of drawing, but in doing so, to open it up to a more subversive world. So, while at first, there is a moment of contemplating the labour-intensity and beauty, hopefully, it is followed by the realisation that there is something perverted happening here, too.
We picked up on the reference to José Esteban Muñoz in your past work, and we think we are on the same page here: to understand the now, is to understand the past and the future. What roles do time and temporality play in your work?
Laila: This is something that we have been really interested in since we started working together — making composite prints where we scanned old, printed material, and then digitally layered these images with really low quality imagery we'd find online, resulting in a combination of hazy pixelation and very high resolution half-tone textures. The print and digital qualities spoke to different times or temporalities, and we were intrigued by what happens when they overlap and create a new kind of in-between language.
Similarly, when we made our film, south florida sky, we reshot the two distinct sequences of the film — hand drawn, digitised animation, and digital GAN generated imagery — using a 16mm film camera, which resulted in a doubling of digital animation and analogue grain.
Louis: There is a direct collapsing of different technologies or different temporalities here. In our Spread works we collage different scanned imagery from various sources, which is a distinct, flattening process. Unmooring an image from its distinct point in time and then setting it free changes the way you view it. The analogue texture of the drawings uproots them from the now and makes them feel like they are more substantial, older, maybe a part of history, changing the way that you might look at them. The framing in Inner Heat is very specific as well — the drawings are framed in archival-looking perspex cases, which almost turn them into artefacts, again altering their perception.
This process of collapse creates a new space in which we can slow down and re-approach images.
Similarly, when we made our film, south florida sky, we reshot the two distinct sequences of the film — hand drawn, digitised animation, and digital GAN generated imagery — using a 16mm film camera, which resulted in a doubling of digital animation and analogue grain.
Louis: There is a direct collapsing of different technologies or different temporalities here. In our Spread works we collage different scanned imagery from various sources, which is a distinct, flattening process. Unmooring an image from its distinct point in time and then setting it free changes the way you view it. The analogue texture of the drawings uproots them from the now and makes them feel like they are more substantial, older, maybe a part of history, changing the way that you might look at them. The framing in Inner Heat is very specific as well — the drawings are framed in archival-looking perspex cases, which almost turn them into artefacts, again altering their perception.
This process of collapse creates a new space in which we can slow down and re-approach images.
Inner Heat, Goldsmiths Centre for Contemporary Art London 8 November 2024 - 12 January 2025