Jae: Gus and I met in Savannah (Georgia) six years ago. We disagree about our romantic inception, but I can tell you that Gus lived in my attic for one whole hot, southern summer. We became close. At some point, we had this idea to merge my writing with his score-making – the beginning of us making sounds. This culminated in a series of VHS pieces I created and we called it Teen Dreamz. But all of this content was pretty abstract and not really meant to go anywhere outside of our gallery.
Augustus: I really admired Jae. She was producing and directing some really cool video projects and I wanted to get involved. The Teen Dreamz things started because I was trying so hard to collaborate on something, I would’ve scored Jae eating breakfast if she offered.

Jae: I was a total teenage shithead. The people I idolized were crappy hippies who wouldn’t share their weed. Or Jerry G! Maybe it’s easier now to discover worthy idols for precocious youth because of the Internet, but back then, it was tough to know who / or even how to like. A burnt copy of The Microphones’ The Glow Pt. 2 fell into my life when I was sixteen, which altered everything I knew about music and weaned me off the grub shit. Very important.
Augustus: I was really into skateboarding. I was a huge fan of Andrew Reynolds. Hearing DJ Shadow’s Organ Donor in The End was huge for me. I got a lot of my music from skate videos. 

Augustus: I didn’t really get immersed in the scene until we moved back in 2015, but it’s been great. People love freaky music; the bizarre and eccentric really thrive here and that’s refreshing.
Jae: I’m from Utica (New York).

Augustus: I’m terrible at deciphering genres. We were referencing Suicide a lot for Lesser Man, and then Yello for Yr Body is Nothing; after that, it gets complicated. Recently, I’ve been drawing from 400 Blows, Severed Heads, and This Mortal Coil. 

Jae: We’re trying to think about what makes sense for a live show. We’re playing bigger stages, which is exciting, but hinders our natural habitat of crowded, foggy places. At one point, I thought it would be amazing to work with friends of ours who choreograph and perform. We’ll see.
Augustus: I am definitely interested in expanding the live set. I would love to incorporate lights and projections in a more deliberate way.

Jae: The first ever release was this funny little tour split; our side was really bad. We dubbed it ourselves at home, I think. I guess ‘the real’ first release was Lesser Man, which we put out ourselves. We then worked with several small labels – Night People, DKA and Ascetic House. They are great, plus we appreciate what they gave us by way of kindness and support. As for the current releases, we decided to start something of our own because we weren’t sure what we’re up to. You know what I mean? Contract territory is tough; I’m not ready to know who will I be in five years, and even less what my work will be.

Jae: It’s pretty nuts. My joke is that we’ll be waiting outside of Berghain and we’ll hear Pain (laughs). They’ll think that’s cool but they won’t actually let us in.
Augustus: Totally accidental, really. It came together really fast. I had the hook in my head: “Pain breaks the rhythm” and went from there.

Jae: The emotion behind the song Pain is the cyclical, feedback loop of our abject heartache. We were in a real rough spot, hated one another but would always wind up sabotaging space by sleeping together / being really cruel about the whole thing. And as any crisis, it felt so close-up, extreme. It was a fucking mess. What makes me suffer now is different. My pain is ubiquitous and hard to define. That song came from such a specific moment – currently, the feeling of pain floats around in the big picture. Kind of threatening, but mostly just a fact of life.

Jae: Yes, it’s pretty special that we’ve been invited to play all over. Kinda shocking, honestly. As for creepy experiences, I guess I’ve gotten the whole gamut of weird gestures. For example, one guy once stood in front of me pantomiming jacking-off during a whole show. Also, just recently, a guy offered me a “good fuck”. I wish I had some more creepy/amazing things to add to the list.
After the show in Heidelberg (Germany) we had a relatively odd, but sweet night. We were invited to a forest party where we had to hike up a mountain to these open-face caves lit by candles. That was at three am or something. It was super beautiful – maybe a little lonely because we were strangers. But standing there, looking over the city inside the woods felt strange and nice. Or when I got food poisoning in London and this amazing person, Ali, brought me some of their mom’s homemade stomach healing tea.
Augustus: I’m going to go with the person who stripped down when we started playing in Austin. Pure hedonism. They were rubbing their breasts all over Jae’s monitor and ended up disconnecting our stage sound. What a trip.

Jae: I’m going to go wholesome here and say, my sis. It’s true! She’s amazing. She works in the Emergency Room and attends school while still cultivating and encouraging her art. We’re going through a lot right now with our neurotic and demented mother. Erica keeps me sane and grounded.
Augustus: I love a good underdog story. Anyone who can succeed against the odds.

Jae: There are a lot! I would love to work with Essaie Pas, but like, what would they want from me? Or Schwefelgelb. It would be fun to lend my weird voice out to the dance champions. Even just a sample of me breathing in or something. Also, I dream of working with some heavy hitters like Anna Von Hausswolff or Jenny Hval – I could be their fake movie vocal sample. The rest is fantasy; why dwell on that right now?
Augustus: I would love to start getting into scoring for a film. I want to work with the Safdie brothers some day.

Jae: I like to think of it as a perverse neo-noir, existing in some hot swamp city. Like Body Heat, by Lawrence Kasdan, but much weirder. Lynch’s Lost Highway is maybe a cliché, but it’s a confusing, erotic masterpiece. Plus, I hope Boy Harsher could be like that someday.
Augustus: Agreed.

Jae: Yes, it was nice meeting you. Paris is fun. Truly, very happy to share a bill with Moor Mother. They are so major. I need to acquaint myself with Parisian musicians; I listen to Catherine Ribeiro and Alpes’ Paix often, but that’s from another time.
Augustus: The show at La Station was incredible. I’m pretty ignorant about Parisian music though.

Jae: We are working on another release at the moment. It’s hard, exhilarating and totally scary. But hopefully, you’ll hear something from us soon.

Jae: Sure. I was just trying to find the track ID of Ken Russell’s Gothic trailer. Before, I was listening to Jaclyn Kendall’s compilation Never a Land Without People, which is full of vibes.
Augustus: Viper, from E-Saggila’s next record, is insane. Shows what punk techno can really be.