“Don’t let the smooth taste fool you, baby!” This is how most of the world first met Symone. For a drag queen, entering the werkroom of RuPaul’s Drag Race is like reaching Mount Olympus, where gods live and myths are created. Surrounded by vibrant fuchsia walls covered in portraits of Mother, mannequins, mirrors, stilettos, glitter, and the other twelve contestants of Season 13, the legend of The Ebony Enchantress was born. And it quickly spread to the rest of the world.
It’s been three years since Symone was crowned America’s next drag superstar, and she hasn’t lost any steam. Quite the contrary: she’s visited and seduced half the world with her innate charisma, attended runway shows in Paris and New York, starred in campaigns, been a cover girl, and is now deep into the second season of Avalon TV, a show that follows the adventures of her creative collective, The House of Avalon. Amidst all the buzz, we got the chance to talk to The Ebony Enchantress about everything—from her last summer in her twenties to the importance of community-building, politics in drag, and the best and worst parts of fame.
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Hi, Symone. First of all, it’s a pleasure to speak with you.
Oh, you’re very sweet. It’s nice to speak to you too! Hello, hello.
You’re back in Los Angeles, but you just attended the Acne Studios show in Paris. How was it?
It was amazing! We’ve been really close with the team for a little bit now, and they asked us if we’d want to do the corresponding thing with their guests. And of course, we were like, “Oh my god, I would love to!” I’ve kinda had a little practice doing Avalon TV, so it was fun to test it out in the real world. The guests were great, and we all had a good time! I’m happy we got to do it. It was a good experience. And actually, fashion week is usually kinda stressful, but that wasn’t—the whole day was just a breeze. So thank you, Acne! (Laughs)
Yeah, fashion is stressful. What do you think is more stressful though, fashion shows or drag shows?
Oh, fashion shows for sure! I’ve been doing drag shows since I was eighteen, so that’s whatever. But fashion shows… there are cameras everywhere, a lot of people, fans outside screaming your name, and you wanna make sure you look good from every angle—it’s just a lot going on. But they’re fun.
Fashion is just killing us slowly, but we love it.
We love it! We we live for it, and we are dying for it.
“I’ve had a brat summer! I mean, how could we not? I’m gay and I’m a drag queen—I had no choice.”
Which brings me to the next question. Before Paris, you also flew to New York for the Off-White show. Fashion is a creative outlet for you. How do you think your style has helped you build the person you are, both as Symone and in your out-of-drag persona?
I think fashion has definitely given me confidence, especially being in drag, but also putting an outfit together, a look, and creating a vibe. If my sixteen-year-old self could see me now, they’d be like, “You’re kidding.” Out of drag, I think I’m sort of discovering that now as I’m coming into my thirties—I’ll turn thirty next year.
That’s exciting! Are you ready?
A little bit, yeah. People get nervous about aging, but I’ve never been that way. I’m kind of excited about it, honestly. But back to the conversation, I’m discovering my boy persona now, at this stage in my life, so… to be continued on that part. But fashion has definitely helped my confidence, helped me convey how I feel, and giving that fabulous sensation, I should say.
So this was your last summer in your twenties. Did you have a brat summer?
I did! I mean, how could we not? I’m gay and I’m a drag queen—I had no choice. I enjoyed it for sure.
You mentioned it earlier, but you’re currently hosting Avalon TV on WOW Presents Plus. What’s it like to go from reality TV contestant to having your own show?
It’s another milestone and a dream come true. TV has always been a big outlet for me, and I’ve always loved talk shows, so being able to host my own is really cool. RuPaul is a big inspiration of mine, so the fact that he had a show and now I’m getting to do my own is very cool and fun.
Getting to talk to some of my friends and meeting new people, some of whom I never thought I’d speak with, is incredible. Some of them surprise me, so that keeps me on my toes. It’s been a very fun journey. Oh, and it helps with your confidence too! You’ve gotta do it and you don’t know what’s gonna happen, but you just go with the flow and trust in your abilities.
You’re very charismatic, so you just have it. When I’ve watched you, everything feels so natural.
Oh, you’re very sweet, thank you.
Let’s talk more about The House of Avalon, the creative collective that you’re a part of. Could you tell us more about how did it come to be—how did you pair up, how did you decide to become a collective, what are your goals…?
At first, it was the four of them: Marko, Hunter, Caleb, and Grant. We’re all from Arkansas, so they met there, in school. I came along when they started throwing parties at a club in Arkansas, and I just never left their couch. I thought, “These are my people, so I think I’ll be staying here now” (laughs).
You squatted in their lives.
I squatted in their lives, yes, I gave them no choice. Then they moved in 2016 or 2017, but I stayed in Arkansas for about a year and a half before moving, too. They met Gigi while they were working at Mickey’s here in Los Angeles. And then Riley—we met her at DragCon a few years before, when we were all still in Arkansas, but she ended up moving here the year before the pandemic, so we all kinda came together. And then the world shut down.
We were all each other had. We thought, you know what? Let’s start getting on Twitch. We started doing stuff because we were just bored, and that’s how it came to be. Then we thought, “Wait, we can make this a style; we could do this for real.” And so, WOW was gracious enough to allow us to do it, and it’s been really fun. That’s how it happened. The short version, of course—I tried to condense it for you.
Yes, I totally understand there’s much more to it.
Our goal is to just have fun, create art, and live our lives loud, open, and free—some of us are better at that than others. And I’m the others (laughs). But it’s definitely been a learning journey, and it’s helped me become more comfortable with myself. I think that’s all we want. We want people to see us living our lives and being authentically ourselves, having fun. Especially in these times, I think it’s important to see that you can still have fun, with everything going on around you. That’s our motto.
“I enjoy people and getting to meet everyone. That’s the best part of fame. And the worst thing… I really like sleeping! And there’s a lot less of that.”
I guess that as a collective, you help expand each other’s creativity and universe. In what ways would you say Avalon influences Symone, and in what way does Symone influence the rest of the team?
We’re all very different personalities, and I think we push each other in different ways—whether it be artistically or personally. We see each other’s potential, and we don’t allow anyone to get complacent (or at least we try not to let anyone get complacent or stagnant). We’re mirrors for one another. If something happens, we’re always there to uplift each other in many ways. I think that’s the best way to put it—we’re all there to uplift, reflect, and push each other.
You famously won RuPaul’s Drag Race back in 2021, and you were caught in a whirlwind. So, three years and many accomplishments later, how do you recall that initial shoot to fame?
It was crazy! Before that, I was living a very chill life in LA. I’d go do a gig on the weekend, then go to, shall we say, my ‘boy job.’ I don’t know if people remember, but the world had just opened up after the crowning, so it was a whirlwind. The best way I can describe it is like being shot out of a cannon. It was unique because I was the first queen crowned after the pandemic, so there was no blueprint in a way. I was forging my own path; there were certain things we still couldn’t do, so I had to figure out other ways. But it was a lot of fun.
People have been so responsive to me. I was so grateful and humbled. It was crazy because I didn’t expect it. I really didn’t, going into the show. But I loved it—it was the best time of my life, honestly. I’m still having fun and all that, but that first year, man, was nuts in the best way possible.
And now that things have settled down, how are you living that fame? How are you navigating it? What’s the best and worst?
It’s the best! I enjoy the fans a lot, I enjoy meeting people, and that’s the best part—resonating with people. As I said before, I really didn’t expect it, so for it to still be happening, I’m very grateful. And the worst thing… I really like sleeping (laughs)! I truly enjoy it. And there’s a lot less of that. But they tell me I can sleep when I’m dead.
You first entered the werkroom with a dress made of polaroids of yourself, which was genius. If you had to recreate that dress now, what would these polaroids show of you? Meaning, could you share some of the best memories or things that you would like to include in that garment?
Oh, that is a great question! Definitely the MET Gala—huge. I’d probably put the selfie with me, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj on there. My first fashion show, I’d probably put that on there too. Going to Nice, which I’ve always wanted to do. Even before going to Paris, I’d always wanted to go to Nice, so probably putting that memory on there.
Also, when all of us went to Mexico right after the crowning—I’d put the group picture on there. And meeting Abby Lee Miller… there’s so much. I’ve done a lot. But this time, I wouldn’t have to repeat them because last time, I had nine photos and just repeated them. Now I have three years’ worth of fabulous memories. So yeah, memories of everything. Oh! And also, my mom coming to my first show after the crowning. There’s just so much—a dress full of memories.
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I relocated to Mexico back in March (I’m originally from Barcelona), so I’m curious about your trip after winning RuPaul’s Drag Race. Where did you go exactly?
We went to Puerto Vallarta the week right after the crowning—me and all of my friends. We were there for seven days and had the best time. We got a house with two pools, they took care of us, we didn’t have to cook or anything, everyone had their own room… We also had a van that would take us down into town to walk around, go shopping, to the beach, etc. It was such an amazing time.
And that was my first time out of the country! I had never left the U.S. before, so I was extra gagged at everything. It was beautiful. It was right before summer, so the weather was hot but not too much. And the boys… oh my god! Beautiful.
Yeah, I know.
Having a good time down there?
Yeah, I can’t complain (laughs). Checking your Instagram, I saw a clip from Avalon TV showing the first dress you ever wore in drag. Looking back, what has Symone taught you over the years, and what has your out-of-drag self taught her too?
Symone taught Reggie confidence—to believe in himself and to love himself. That there’s nothing wrong with me. And I think Reggie taught Symone resilience, perseverance—to just keep going. Sometimes it becomes a lot, and I think when Symone can’t, I have to allow Reggie to kind of fill in those shoes sometimes.
Drag is political, you are the embodiment of that. You made lots of of political statements on the runway, and you kept doing that outside of the show. The American elections are just around the corner, so, are you following up the campaign? How are you seeing the near future?
I hope everything turns out okay; I have a lot of hope. I don’t know what’s going to happen. I keep seeing news saying that it’s neck and neck, so I hope that people come to their senses and do what’s right for the most people. Obviously, I’m behind my Vice Pres, Miss Kamala. I hope that fear and hatred don’t win. We’ve seen it happen, but hopefully not this time.
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One last question that I can’t skip. I’m sure you were asked multiple times, but would you compete in a possible second season of All Stars All Winners?
You know what? I would. Never say never. I just think I have a little bit more to learn. I feel like I need to come back a bit more of a realised person before I sit back in the werkroom in front of Mother. But I would definitely do it again just to see RuPaul every day. Well, a crown and money are great too (laughs).
I was going to say that—two hundred thousand dollars for another trip to Puerto Vallarta sounds very, very nice.
Yeah, the Capricorn in me would come out.
You’re right, you’re a Capricorn—I am too!
I just keep meeting more and more of us. I didn’t know there were so many of us in the world.
We should be even more.
I think so too. These are my partying words (laughs).
Thank you so, so much for your time, Symone!
It was great talking to you, my darling. It’s been a pleasure.
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Dress PINKO, skirt LARHHA, gloves MICHAEL COSTELLO, earrings JACQUEMUS, hat GAGO STUDIO.
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Dress EVADE HOUSE, overdress and earrings MICHAEL COSTELLO, shots CASADEI.
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Top BEMEKNES, corset PALOMO SPAIN, trousers FATTY GLASSY, boots MIAMICCI, earring BLANCA DE BONROSTRO.
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Dress and sunglasses DIESEL, shoes KARL LAGERFELD, earrings MICHAEL COSTELLO, bath cap ARENA.
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Scarf, dress and jacket DIESEL, earrings ANTON HEUNIS, shoes CASADEI.
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Top and short PINKO, boots and earrings MICHAEL COSTELLO, overboots FATTY GLASSY.
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Top DIESEL, skirt VISORI, overtop FATTY GLASSY, boots and gloves MICHAEL COSTELLO.
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Jacket LARHHA, dress and boots DIESEL, sunglasses VERSACE.