Childhood and all its multitudes are undoubtedly a key part in the life of Ai Weiwei, one of the most important contemporary artists of our time, as he reveals in this interview in his own words, one of the longest he has ever done; one in which we get to know him from a three-dimensional view.
Interview tak­en from METAL Magazine issue 52. Adapted for the online version. Order your copy here.
Do you remember when you were a child and thought about the future? I do. Like many others, I remember daydreaming about it. Yes, that archetype à la Frutiger Aero with flying cars, humans dressed in white latex eco-suits, and nature and technology living in harmony. When we think about this, we understand the future was meant to be positive, better. This is due to our innocence as children, one of the best and most encouraging feelings in our life. It contained multitudes (courage, hope and thrills) as Walt Whitman wrote a long time ago in “Song of Myself”, 1892. 
Ai Weiwei was born in 1957, Beijing. Shortly afterward, his father, the poet Ai Qing, was sent to a labour camp as an enemy of the revolution; the family lived in exile, mostly in the remote Xinjiang region, until 1976. Weiwei’s life and work has been affected by his childhood and his family’s experiences. But he explains that when he thinks of his father, he smiles remembering how, unintentionally, “he planted a seed that is still alive and growing.” I believe that thinking too much about the future in our childhood means things are not going well. In fact, it’s the definition of anxiety. The world lives in a state of sleep paralysis with no return. Social inequality, jobs, health, housing, wars and genocides scream loudly on the surface of a planet we are destroying. The most odious ideas of past history are returning in the form of evil oligarchs, businessmen and political leaders. We live in a constant hypernormalisation, a term created by Alexei Yurchak in 2006 that expresses what you have most likely been feeling lately: the state of hopelessness that structural failings, ultra-capitalism in the West, leaves many with the idea of an impossible future.
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Community and care have driven Ai Weiwei’s career for almost fifty years, in which he has interrogated nearly every discipline to develop his message to the world, driven by the artist’s social activism. Turning to his knowledge and experience, to ask questions and think wisely and calmly about the right answers is the perfect idea. Ai’s answers seem to be sometimes encrypted, as if he was an oracle with a bird’s eye perspective who was trying to tell, cautiously, the right path to follow. And as art is losing its role as a tool to fight fascism and hate, it is now more than ever the time to reignite its relevance. To find the right axis from which to look at the problems we’re going through, Ai places a rather interesting question that answers itself before you finish asking it, “Does our behaviour protect humanity’s most fundamental goodwill or merely satisfy the insatiable desires of a certain group of people?”. It is as simple as it is complicated.
The artist is dissident. His work is far-reaching with a sometimes controversial vision, here’s a whistle-stop tour: he created a utopian political experience inviting one thousand and one Chinese people to Documenta Kassel for “1001 Chairs”, 2007; represented Chinese mass production in “Forever Bicycles”, 2013; challenged his inner Duchamp with “Dropping a Han Dynasty Urn”, 1995; denounced conditions in which he was kept during his eighty-one-day imprisonment in China in 2011 making “S.A.C.R.E.D.”, 2013; commemorated the 2008 Sichuan earthquake that ended the lives of over five thousand school children in “Straight”, 2008-2012 and showed the indecency of humanity in a documentary about refugees from across twenty-three countries titled “Human Flow”, 2017. Also, to support women’s rights activist Ye Haiyan and the concept of displacement and how it affects artists Ai created “Ye Haiyan’s Belongings”, 2013, or more recently he reinterpreted Claude Monet’s iconic triptych to tell his family history “Water Lilies #1”, 2023, currently on display at the Seattle Art Museum. Ai is the recipient of as many awards and recognitions as you can imagine.
There is one piece that stands as particularly relevant and current; confrontation against capitalism in all its forms portrayed in “Study of Perspective”, 1995-2003. They are photos of his middle finger pointed at spaces and symbols that represent political and or national power, including the Eiffel Tower, the White House, and even the Mona Lisa. Talk about inspiration for the present.
For Ai Weiwei, art is inherent, and there is equally something about the way he creates art that resembles playing a game, in the best possible sense; he plays with meaningful layers that catch people’s attention. His art showcases injustice. Today, we converse about this, but also about social and political needs and realities such as education, polarisation, inequality, labour or survival articulated through his work. And family. He talks about the present as a moment of “humiliation of all humanity,” as children are being more and more dehumanised all over the world as you are reading this. 
Perhaps when questioning the world we should act more like children, unafraid to dream of possibilities, and unconsciously articulating the future of our world through interrogations and demands, driven by innocence and naivety to stop the world’s cruellest nightmares. It is time to wake up. I hope we wake up. I hope we wake up.
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Installation view of Ai, Rebel: The Art and Activism of Ai Weiwei at Seattle Art Museum, 2025. Photo: Natali Wiseman.
Hello Ai! I’d like to start by asking how you are — but from a deeper point of view. I think it’s fair to say that the world is in chaos right now, and I wonder how you’re coping with everything that’s going on.
If the world is a chess game, then the players, the rules, and the ideology behind it have all dramatically changed — abruptly and intensely, far beyond most people’s expectations. From my perspective, this change is unavoidable. Looking at the world’s political landscape and cultural developments, human society has reached a period that requires strategic adjustments, including how we cope, develop, distribute resources, and break through into a new global order, a new paradigm. As individuals, we are also experiencing a special period of redefining and reassessing. Yet this torn-open window and its impact on human society’s development remain difficult to estimate.
I know you just did the photo shoot for this article this week, how did it go? Do you usually enjoy photo shoots?
Yesterday I did the photo shoot. The process was smooth and pleasant because the photographer was very spiritually attuned.
Your work involves being immersed in the fundamentals of social and political issues that require a lot of thinking and doing. In your case, can you step out of your professional sphere to pause? And if so, what are the forms of recharging you enjoy most?
This is a great challenge for anyone in any profession. As art has always existed on the margins of society as a practice, conflicts and ruptures do not disrupt the rhythm of my work. In fact, this kind of thinking and practice gives these contradictions and crises deeper meaning in my life. If we talk about recharging, it means we as individuals must become even more conscious and alert. Being conscious and alert means confronting the challenge of perception, as all perception ultimately leads to behavioural change.
“Everything is art. Everything is politics” is quoted by the retrospective exhibition of your works currently showing at the Seattle Art Museum. Has going back in time through your past work for the exhibition made you hopeful about the current state of the world? Is the moment we live in now, with far right and fascist ideology becoming more and more popular and present, the most difficult to manage in the last four decades?
My understanding began from the time I was born. When a society is extremely politicised and fraught with conflict, it is nothing new. I cannot say that I am hopeful about the world’s current state because the world is a political entity beyond individual will or change. When a highly autocratic regime emerges, it is simply moving from a latent to a prominent state. No-one can live permanently in times filled only with celebration and parties. Human survival inherently involves struggle and division. From this perspective, nothing surprises me.
Also, on display at one of the Seattle Art Museum’s rooms is “Ai Weiwei: Water Lilies”, your Lego reinterpretation of one of Claude Monet’s famous water lily paintings. It got me thinking about the process, which I bet is quite a long one, and whether making these giant Lego recreations was an act of meditation in itself. In this sense, did the process become part of the work?
“Water Lilies” requires two hundred and fifty thousand toy bricks and is extremely time-consuming, labour-intensive, and materially demanding — almost simple, repetitive labour. This work shares meaning with the production of “Sunflower Seeds” and “Straight”, highlighting repetitive manual labour and accumulated time. This is undoubtedly what people refer to as using an action to concentrate a thought in meditation, but at the same time evolving into individual meaning. The process itself is the artwork; what we see as its manifestation is only a fragment.
“Today, real thinkers and artworks with true influence struggle to survive in contemporary museums.”
For me, Lego is my childhood. Working with it implanted certain values in me, like patience and the power of community. What part of your childhood is present in your current work? Do you remember concrete ideas, toys or simple objects that made an impression on your younger self?
I didn’t have TV, electricity, or anything we would nowadays consider a toy because we lived in a dugout. Besides the earth around us, we had nothing at all. Poverty and life’s constraints seemed to engulf our entire society, but looking back, my childhood held far more valuable experiences than those of today’s youth who live in abundance. From a young age, we learned how to struggle — for survival, for ideological beliefs, and even physically. This was a simple yet profound effort. My childhood was materially restricted and impoverished, yet I sought happiness and attempted to use my abilities to confront and overcome difficulties. There are many more things worth remembering from that time. The games I played back then would not be recognised today. Even if I described them, no one would understand.
In this issue of METAL we are ‘Facing the Nightmare’ and there is a phrase I love in the brief: “We are not only looking for answers, but also for the right questions.” In my opinion, there is something quite worrying: the media are losing their ability to ask key questions to these decision-makers, as many of them have become experts who avoid answering them. In your opinion, what are the questions we should be asking them? 
Despite the world being messy, complicated, often violent, and filled with trauma and ruin, ultimately the problem is simple. Does our behaviour protect humanity’s most fundamental goodwill, or merely satisfy the insatiable desires of a certain group of people? From this perspective, the world is not complicated. What we see clearly is a world divided by interests and profits. All behaviour — whether from politicians or individuals — is rooted in identity and the value system that identity carries. Thus, the fundamental question is: what is life’s truest value? How can we establish a commonly understood value, achieving the most fundamental and direct recognition? This is both an urgent and eternal question.
Conversely, a very interesting part of the history of activism is taking place right now. And in recent years for me there is one name that stands out: Extinction Rebellion. On the one hand some claim that there is no point in supposedly destroying works of art to protest something, and on the other hand others claim that the art industry is responsible for many problems. As an artist and activist, what do you think of these demonstrations?
A society’s greatest tragedy is not only its creation of anti-human political trends but also its creation of an opposition similarly lacking in imagination, passion, and coherent political methods. Usually, these groups express themselves violently. Whether due to political suppression or the opposition’s helplessness, this violence doesn’t help protect humanity, basic dignity, or free expression. Ultimately, these demonstrations fail to meaningfully affect human rights or political development.
The inevitably of protest made me think of your famous piece “Dropping a Han Dynasty Urn” (1995). Do you remember how people reacted then? 
When I created “Dropping a Han Dynasty Urn”, I didn’t consider it an act of protest. Rather, I wanted to use an action to transform an existing, established value. This relates to Duchamp’s fundamental understanding of art’s essence.
And that brings me to another issue: youth. And I am referring to people in their twenties and thirties. I get the impression that we paint youth in a very bad light these days. Maybe it’s a generational thing; all generations claim to be misunderstood. But with the cost-of-living crisis becoming more and more prevalent around the world, don’t you think it’s a very difficult time for young people? 
The problems confronting young people today are not passive; rather, from my perspective, they reflect the outcome of long-term conditioning. Young people cannot adequately handle society’s political shifts or changing survival methods. Being a victim is itself disastrous. Education has long tried to instil a false sense of security: if you do certain things, you’re guaranteed a safe spot in society’s competition. Clearly, this is largely a lie overshadowing our values and education system. Nowadays, it’s obvious that this comforting facade has burst, and many realise their knowledge and efforts may be discarded. I’m not saying education is useless — but rather, what they’re learning is useless. When they dedicate nearly two decades of their most precious time to relentlessly training their minds to operate as mere components of a machine, they risk being moulded into something akin to a discarded relic. What they ought to contemplate more deeply is how to liberate themselves from the vast, repetitive machinery and emerge as autonomous individuals — a task that is evidently fraught with difficulty. The youth of today, it seems, will confront even more unfathomable challenges.
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You have been one of the most important artists to embrace social media as a useful tool, especially Twitter. I hate Elon Musk and everything he stands for, but I refuse to give up X because at the end of the day there is something quite real about social networks, just as a country cannot be defined by its king, but by the people who inhabit it. What do you think of it and the rest of the social networks? Are they still a useful tool for you?
When Twitter transformed into X, I reacted clearly. I posted an image on both X and Instagram depicting the image of X in the process of evolving into a symbol of Nazism. It was not my intention to disparage a social media platform which was once my favourite and that I referred to as my country, my homeland — one that remains among my favourites. Rather, I believe that when technology and elites strive to interpret the world through a singular narrative, we encounter a profound danger. What I mean to convey is that, even now, Twitter/X stands as the most robust and dynamic of all social media platforms. It functions much like a societal plaza, enabling rapid access to information and expression of opinions — undoubtedly a cornerstone of any thriving civil society. Given its convenience, I find no need to explore other social media alternatives. Twitter/X and Instagram fulfil all my requirements. Furthermore, when it comes to Twitter/X’s Grok 3, particularly in comparison to other AI systems, Grok 3 surpasses its counterparts by a wide margin. Its objectivity, precise use of language, and engaging interactivity far exceed what ChatGPT offers. In this regard, the least impressive platform is DeepSeek, a much-lauded Chinese AI that, in reality, operates as a severely limited system. When an AI platform seeks to sidestep political perspectives or imposes filters and restrictions on expression, it ceases to be a tool of insight and instead delivers distorted or misleading information.
In the DW documentary “Ai Weiwei drifting — art, awareness and the refugee crisis” you talk to your students about the importance of making the argument or narrative of art engaging and attractive. This seems a clear part of your style. Do you remember when you decided to become an artist and how you implemented this perspective in your work?  
First and foremost, I never truly set out to become an artist. What is commonly termed artistic expression, I regard as the very essence of life — a testament to one’s own existence. The pursuit of free expression, or the endeavour to secure the right to it, inevitably becomes the vital force that upholds art as its most essential foundation. Long before I decided to become an artist, I was already a person steadfastly committed to free expression. This commitment naturally extends to freedom of thought, an element that permeates every aspect of the work I create, reflected in all my artworks.
In this documentary you also talk about making films for future generations, like a time capsule. You studied animation at the Beijing Film Academy. If you had to choose only one of your films to be watched by people in 100 years, which would you choose and why?
I hope that, a century from now, people will still know what a film is.
Are you still teaching at the University? I know that some years ago you taught at the Architecture Department of China Academy of Art. What did you learn from your experience with students back then?
I no longer teach at the university, but the numerous interviews I’ve given, beyond offering insight into my own understanding, also carry a distinct message for young people. From students, I perceive only a space defined by how individuals think and aspire to refine what they possess, yet remain unawakened. I believe the true essence of education lies not in the mere transmission of knowledge, but in the pursuit of enlightenment.
What do you like to do in your free time? I mean a true hobby, something you love that has nothing to do with art. Do you like cooking? Because I found an old article in the Guardian in which they share your recipe for your favourite breakfast: pork buns, breadsticks and congee.
In truth, all my time is free time. Everything I do springs from a deep curiosity about life itself, unfolding as a natural extension through actions that bring life into focus. Much like our planet hurtling through the universe at tremendous speed, surrounded by other planets in their own orbits, this motion does not stem from the planet’s own volition but from an incomprehensible natural force. I believe human behaviour, though often vastly overstated as being solely the product of individual will — much like the intoxicating notion ingrained in today’s schools — is not entirely governed by our own choices. Instead, it is shaped by an invisible force at work, influencing even what we hold as the most precious expressions of individual thought and will. To a large degree, our behaviour lacks the distinct imprint of personal character. I enjoy cooking because I take pleasure in eating, and I am quite particular in this regard. I also find great satisfaction in walking and working with my hands. To me, a person unable to create with their hands lacks the capacity for true thought. I consider the ideas of those who cannot craft something tangible with their own hands to be mere empty thoughts devoid of substance or meaning.
“The true nightmare is when we are awake and realise that reality is far worse than any dream.”
I sincerely believe that your performance “Fairytale” at Documenta Kassel in 2007 is one of the best art projects ever made. Just reading about it made me emotional. Even with a great point to prove, just the fact of flying one thousand and one people to live a utopian experience for a few days is beautiful, given the political context in China. It made me think about utopia and its power to create change, even in some limited way. How can we, as a society, go from dreaming to making it come true?
Under many circumstances, the realisation of my artworks emerges from a prolonged process of contemplation. Their appearance may seem random or impulsive at times, yet this spontaneity remains inseparable from an enduring thread of thought. The artwork “Fairytale”, for instance, demanded a sustained commitment. I am delighted to hear that you appreciate this piece, and I, too, regard it as one of my most significant creations. It situates both myself and the community I inhabit within the cultural collisions between China and the West, capturing the nascent stages of China’s globalisation. Even today, it stands as a work that would be challenging to replicate. How did it come to be? It was born from a blend of my impulsive nature and steadfast persistence. When you find something captivating and strive to address every layer of challenge it presents, the artwork, in essence, completes itself. Its most exquisite quality lies not in a tangible form, as with most artworks, but in its existence as a legend — one that language struggles to fully articulate.
Controversy has been present in some of your works. I remember the reaction generated by the recreation that you did alongside Rohit Chawla of the photo of Alan Kurdi, the three-year-old Syrian boy who died on a beach near Bodrum. How did you deal with this reaction, and do you think it is increasingly difficult to provoke a feeling in the public because of political correctness?
I give relatively little thought to external considerations when creating my artworks. As for certain controversies surrounding specific pieces, I find them utterly absurd. These reactions have taught me that even within the most contemporary cultural spheres, many still cling to sanctimonious religious and moral excuses to justify their actions and shield their fragile, fabricated political-moral bubbles. The majority dwell within these illusory spheres, perpetually anxious, treading carefully to prevent their bubbles from bursting. My artworks, in most cases, exist precisely to shatter such delusions. An artwork devoid of controversy, in truth, has no purpose for being. Yet if controversy is its sole essence, its reason for existence risks becoming warped and skewed.
The exhibit you curated with Feng Boyi, “Fuck Off”, was also an essential moment for contemporary art in China. Artists such as He Yunchang, Sun Yuan, Zhu Yu, Wang Chuyu or Zhu Ming participated in it with really brave and powerful works. How do you remember the experience of the exhibition and do you think it inspired new generations of Chinese artists?
“Fuck Off” stands as a grand-scale artistic discourse, encapsulating the spirit of the year 2000. At the close of the 1990s, Chinese art lingered in an exploratory and bewildered phase. What followed, however, was a descent of Chinese contemporary art into a mere courtesan of capital, akin to a hired companion serving wealth’s whims.
Describing your work, many media refer to you as an iconoclast, and one of the greatest of our time. But some find it hard to cover your activist side. The more I think about your work, the more I am reminded of Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden. Whether people like them or not, they play a huge role in the conception of activism in the 21st century. I feel hopeful when I think of Greta Thunberg. None of them are artists, but they found other ways to amplify their voices. Has art ever been an obstacle for certain statements? 
Extreme demonstrations resemble a bullet already fired. In cultural wars, a bullet cannot resolve conflicts; it merely embodies an attitude and a trend. Far more significant is our comprehension of weapons and adversaries. Only when our understanding of war and its preparation reaches perfection can a bullet fulfil its purpose.
I also wanted to ask you about your family. Do they influence your work? What do they think of it? Do they give you feedback or help you decide
My family is an integral part of who I am. I consider myself incredibly fortunate to say that they are as essential to me as my left arm is to my right. There is a deep, unspoken bond between us, and I am simply an extension of the values they hold dear.
In a recent interview with Trevor Noah you mentioned something really interesting to me, and I think very significant for the current state of affairs. You mentioned how genocide has not only taken place in China and has been executed towards the Uighurs, Tibetans or Inner Mongolia and the Han peoples, but also that it was an unknown concept for the majority of these people. And you recognise how these acts of violence have been accompanied by a process of re-education to society, so it is not acquired as a violent crime by many. This is very much like colonisation; even internal colonisation. And this being one of the key issues that artists and philosophers are dealing with today, how do we deal with colonialism?
I believe colonialism is merely an extension of Darwinism — its darker side. When people fully grasp the competition and brutality inherent in life, it becomes clear that colonialism has always been about the existence of power and the necessary boundaries of rulers. In the past, this was called colonialism. When the term became tainted with negative connotations, people rebranded it as globalisation or the new world order. These are, without a doubt, merely substitute terms for neo-colonialism. The core concept and objective remain the same: an increasingly frantic exploitation and brutal competition. What is happening today in the US, as we can see, cannot be fully explained by the term colonialism or any other term, for it aligns more with Lenin’s definition of imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism. In today’s politics, it is little more than a fight for survival. Colonialism, on the other hand, is a necessary condition. As the former US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, famously said: “If you’re not at the table of the international system, you’re on the menu.” This blunt use of an English idiom reflects the US politicians’ views of political reality.
I feel that we cannot talk about nightmares and the state of the world without mentioning Gaza. There is an ongoing genocide, and we can see in real time devastating and shocking images of the brutality that goes on there every day. What are your thoughts on this? 
Whether by luck or misfortune, I had the chance to visit Gaza while shooting “Human Flow” in 2016. There, I witnessed a scene that shames humanity and stirs profound anger: in the 21st century, a group of people are still regarded as less than slaves. What is happening today, unfolding before the entire world and exposed by social media, cannot be hidden — the killing and brutality are there for all to see. In the past, we could only see a crude, simplistic portrayal of such realities through media, a delayed report of events. Today, such tragedies are broadcast in real-time. The disaster facing Gaza is not just a humanitarian catastrophe; it is an ongoing, brutal humiliation of all humanity. It makes clear that our values and arguments today are being eroded beneath the weight of bombs and bloodshed. As Adorno says, “To write poetry after Auschwitz is barbarism.” Today, even discussing Gaza is seen as evil and shameful. This reality is etched into the very fabric of our dignity and intellect, pulling us back into a state where we resemble lowly animals, for even most animals do not kill their own kind.
Many media outlets feel compromised by calling things what they are (a massacre), states and politicians seem to be complicit with the IDF, and while there is anti-Semitism and it is not okay at all, we must be able to differentiate anti-Semitism from criticising Zionism. In this horrific scenario, how can we work locally in our small communities to help stop this waking nightmare?
A nightmare is something that disappears once we wake up and face reality. The true nightmare, however, is when we are awake and realise that reality is far worse than any dream. Or perhaps we could say that we no longer have the ability to dream, because we are already living in a nightmare. Only when people come to understand that life itself is a nightmare will consciousness truly emerge.
This issue was also controversial at the Lisson Gallery in London about a year ago. Apparently, an exhibition of your work was cancelled due to a message on X containing your views on the three billion dollar aid package that the US transfers annually to Israel. Finally, the exhibition opened last February and could be seen at the gallery until March. Was it difficult to engage in a conversation with the gallery to come to an understanding? 
My collaboration with Lisson Gallery over the years has been a very positive experience. Under all circumstances, they have consistently supported artists’ freedom of expression. Of course, there is one exception to this all circumstances — I have no intention of putting their position or stance in a difficult situation. I appreciate the gallery’s unwavering sincerity and the opportunity to present an argument. In most cases, such opportunities are suppressed or overlooked. All brutality stems from arrogance, but my relationship with Lisson is one of equality, and they have been honest and sincere in their engagement with my true thoughts. Thus, our collaboration remains a positive one.
You are a master at making political art humorous. I find that very difficult to achieve. There is a very particular sense of humour in most of your work. Humour is a language that is sometimes difficult to translate, and your art has been exhibited all over the world. Have you ever felt that it has got you into trouble? Do you remember when you discovered that it could be a key element in your craft?
Humour arises when you feel that the lines of your thinking must be bent. Without this curve, you would face unimaginable and insurmountable obstacles. Hence, humour is often a curving activity; its twists and turns make the path more interesting and unpredictable.
You’ve done work covering the refugee crisis. It was very well documented in your film “Human Flow”, made in 2017. After seven years not much has changed about the refugee situation worldwide, except for your work and the work of others, which has helped us to understand and know this problem better. And it seems that feelings towards refugees and their journeys have changed; more people now care, but those who don’t are even more polarised. What makes the difference in today’s politics is that before some politicians didn’t care about refugees, but now they have the nerve to be against taking in people in urgent need. What did you learn from filming this documentary that can help us now to change this situation? 
My concern for refugees stems from my own experience. In my own country, from the very day I was born, I became a political refugee. The definition of a refugee is simple: it is someone who, due to war, poverty, or ideology, is classified as lower-class and is forced to make an intuitive choice for survival, without truly having a choice. No one would willingly leave their home unless that home is already harming them. If our politics and culture continue to misunderstand or deliberately contradict this reality, it is not those who are harmed who suffer, but rather those with a sense of superiority who attempt to protect their own boundaries. These individuals only reveal their narrow-mindedness. Ultimately, these borders cannot be maintained. All the borders we draw, if one side holds an advantage, inevitably lead to unfair treatment. On this planet, there are no borders — only rivers, seas, and mountains, which are what physically connect us all.
Is there any recent film that you would recommend? Have you watched something that speaks to our moment that you enjoyed?
My most recent film is called “Animality”. It is a documentary that explores the real relationship between animals and humans in different societies.
There seems to be a new trend in the art world, especially in institutional museums and cultural centres. Simon May talks about “The Power of the Cute” in his 2019 essay of the same name; that exhibition halls are being filled with pieces that are highly aesthetic but empty in meaning or thought-provoking, when the times certainly need the use of art to change things. Sometimes it feels like you are in the museum store rather than the exhibition hall. Have curators or directors anywhere ever put limits on quote unquote too political works and made you compromise?
More than ninety percent of museums are victims of the capitalist system. To a large extent, their role has become about decorating a birthday party or organising kindergarten-style activities. Today, real thinkers and artworks with true influence or a distinct identity struggle to survive in contemporary museums. I am a certain kind of exception, but my exception is not the norm, and this situation is always fragile. Yet, this also gives me a certain confidence and has made me realise the true essence of art: it is not about massaging or comforting the public, but rather about reminding people to be conscious, alert, and then to take action.
I remember your exhibition “Sunflower Seeds” at Tate Modern in 2010. I know it caused some controversy that people had to step over the millions of tiny porcelain seeds, and the decision was made not to do that for the sake of visitors’ health. Many things have been said since then, and for me the fact that people couldn’t walk over it, thinking they could in the first place is already a statement. I wanted to ask you a little bit about how the decision was made, and whether sometimes the museum or gallery itself is an impediment to the development of a work of art that one originally had in mind, especially after the vast process it took to make this installation. 
This society applies multiple standards when evaluating artworks. Under most circumstances, if an artwork meets all these standards, its very meaning is, in fact, diminished or even negated. In reality, this is precisely what is happening. It’s akin to examining every ingredient to determine if it harms our health — there would be countless metrics and theories debating whether the beneficial ones are actually harmful, and whether the harmful ones could be beneficial. Many contradictory theories exist as well.
“1000 Years of Joys and Sorrows”, your memoir, includes a lot of photographs from your family life and history. There are two lovely pictures that caught my attention, they are incredibly cute. One in which you appear with your father at Tiananmen Square, Beijing, in November 1959; and a lovely picture of Ai Lao, your son, walking on “Sunflower Seeds” at the Tate Modern, in London. It made me think about how challenging fatherhood has been for you.
This memoir is, in fact, written for my son. These memories, whether related to his grandfather or his father, are an essential part of him. If this legacy is not passed down from one generation to the next as a matter of genuine importance, it would be a dereliction of duty. What we face today is a widespread refusal to accept or a deliberate forgetting of memories — an issue that, in the age of AI, may seem even more pronounced.
Before living in New York, you shared an art group back in 1978 with artists like Ma Desheng, Wang Keping, Huang Rui, Li Shuang and Qu Leilei, among others. It’s fascinating to hear stories about these moments in the life of an artist. Are you still in touch with them? How crucial was for you to be part of this group? I believe it was called Stars.
It held no true meaning because, at that time, it was merely an attitude — there was no genuine consciousness that had yet emerged.
Trump, Milei, Meloni, Musk, Orbán, Le Pen… They have become celebrities. I think this may have happened in the past, but especially and traditionally for left-wing politics when certain figures represented the fight against oppression. But now, it seems that far-right politicians have succeeded in communicating they convey the message to those who need answers, and they can turn the oppressed into the oppressor. These figures usually legislate against women, LGTBQI+ people and immigrants. I feel we are hopeless because many people are buying into these narratives that are, actually, against their own rights, but they don’t realise it. How do you think we can turn the tables and rekindle a sense of community? 
Whether left-wing or right-wing, both exist simultaneously. Like the left and right foot, they are indispensable and necessary for movement. The body must adapt to this way of functioning, or it will cease to move forward. The issue lies in people’s ability to maintain balance and avoid stumbling under extreme political atmospheres. This is a challenge everyone must face.
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Is there any public figure, activist or artist you are excited about? Is there anyone you think we should listen to?
I don’t actually care much about that.
You have worked in all possible formats or artistic disciplines. From comics to films, sculptures, installations, songs, paintings and photography. Is there any form of artistic expression that you haven’t tried, and feel could be a possibility in the future?
Once a form has been explored and its reason for existence clearly established, it is time to abandon it.
“Remembering” is also a major milestone in your work — not only for what it represented, but unfortunately, for what it provoked in the Chinese authorities. I hope this isn’t too uncomfortable to discuss, but do you feel that your imprisonment destroyed everything you had built, or did it, in a way, prove your point — albeit with terrible consequences for you? And did you ever consider giving up your work as an artist?
Every time power or the regime puts pressure on me, it paradoxically affirms the necessity of my existence. Each time I feel like stopping, the reasons to continue emerge naturally.
Do you think your difficult experience with the Chinese political system has somehow given you an advanced perspective on oppression? It has certainly informed many of us about what the political situation is like in your country, but I am curious to know the opinion of fellow countrymen. Does the support of other people in China help you in your work and daily life?
The support of others, whether in China or elsewhere, only influences me externally, not internally. Ideally, a person’s actions should not be overly influenced by the outside world. Like a tree, even when the wind is strong, it remains rooted to the earth.
For much of your life and career you have defied authority. Sometimes you’ve had no choice, and I think that’s admirable. I wanted to ask you about your experiences with authority, what have you learned from confronting it in any of its forms.
If I’ve learned anything, it’s that authority or power primarily seeks to eliminate the possibility of others’ existence. In my encounters with power, I’ve found that arrogance and disregard are the most common reactions I receive.
I love your incursion in music, and the fact that it was quite hardcore is fantastic. You’ve also collaborated with O Future and Aliah Rosenthal to cover Allen Ginsberg’s “Hum Bom!”. In terms of music, what do you normally like to listen to? Is there any style, genre, or artist that gets you in the mood to work? Are you planning to make more musical pieces?
It’s interesting that you mention this. I’m probably the furthest from being a music expert, but I’m still trying to get closer to it.
I feel like asking you about literature, if there are any authors who you love the most or have influenced your way of thinking. But then I remember about your period living in New York during the 80s, and I guessed that must have been such a cultural shift.
Life in New York shifted me from an extremely politically enclosed socialist state to the extreme capitalist society. Both of these societies, in their essence, could be seen as forms of imprisonment or exile. I don’t read a lot of books, and at the same time, I’m somewhat of an omnivore, so most of my information comes from the internet. I find literature to be the profession I respect most.
“And how could it block out / A billion people whose thoughts are freer than the wind? / Whose will is more entrenched than the earth? / Whose wishes are more infinite than time?” This is a passage from “A Wall”, a poem written by Ai Qing, your father. It’s incredibly beautiful, and I only discovered it some days ago. When I did, I understood the importance of his role and presence in your life and work. Then I immediately went back to the words on your website: “To be deprived of a voice is to be told you are not a participant in society; ultimately it is a denial of humanity.” It almost comes full circle. What are the nicest things about him that make you smile when thinking about him?
When I think of my father, I smile remembering how, unintentionally, he planted a seed that is still alive and growing.
You live nowadays in Portugal, if my information is correct. Are you happy there? I live in the south of Spain, and we probably share the same weather, which is always a nice thing.
The weather is wonderful. At night, you can see a sky full of stars, and during the day, the sunshine is something to enjoy. It’s the most precious wealth one can receive.
You showed “Don Quixote” at the MUSAC, in Spain. I wonder if the novel of Miguel de Cervantes, which I believe you read when you were younger, can contain any message or idea that you think we could use to face these turbulent times.  
Don Quixote’s identity and his efforts resonate with me. His endeavours are full of imagination, often surpassing reality, while waiting for results that are often ridiculous or laughable.
This question is almost impossible to answer, but I’m using my opportunity because I think talking to an artist can be as useful and inspiring as talking to a therapist. How can we restore hope in people to fight for a better and more equal world? What is the thing we definitely should not do or stop doing?
When a large ship is heading toward an iceberg, the question is not whether it will collide, but whether you have the ability to swim and survive in cold waters. That is the problem.
Ai, thank you so much for taking your time to do this. It’s an honour to speak to you. Thank you for inspiring the world with your art and your heart.
Thank you for your preparation for this interview. This has likely been one of the longest interviews I’ve ever done.
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Ai Weiwei with the word “FUCK” sunburned onto his chest, Tiananmen Square, Beijing, 2000, part of the Beijing Photographs series, 1993-2003. Courtesy of Ai Weiwei Studio, © Ai Weiwei.
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Arm with the Finger in Bronze, 2000, gilt bronze, 14 x 27.5 x 9 in. Image courtesy of The Albertina Museum, Vienna / Lisa Rastl and Reiner Riedler and Ai Weiwei Studio, Ai Weiwei.
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Dropping a Han Dynasty Urn, 1995, black-and-white photographs (triptych), each: 58 x 48 in. Courtesy of Ai Weiwei Studio, © Ai Weiwei.
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