Long have I been a huge admirer of Kern's work, but what’s interesting is how unsatisfied he is with his accomplishments, being that he knows there is always more that he can conquer. We related over that feeling of always wanting more and wanting to do more. Even if you are a valued artist and photographer, you are also still human.
How were you watching these [videos] by the way?
Man, they have everything now – I mean I watch things on there too, but it’s interesting.
I have to think about that. Well I was a lot younger. When you’re young, you’re really driven by your romantic relationships, you know? They can tear you up. So I thought I’d make this group of films where the people were just so in love that they just died or exploded or something. I based it off of – I mean I got the idea from this love-suicide from a Japanese film I had watched. It was really dramatic. This young couple could not be together, their parents wouldn’t let them be together, so they killed themselves. When I was young I thought that was something I would do. If you can’t be with someone you love… Then I added the aspect where the people couldn’t be with who they loved so they kill themselves, and only after that does the person become interested in them. It’s a big art thing. Like the idea that I’m going to be really rich when I die kinda thing. “I Hate You Now” is about when you’re in a relationship and the person you’re in a relationship with – this is when you’re young – they start doing everything you do. Like if you’re a skateboarder and they say “Now I’m going to become a skateboarder.” Or you make a movie and then they make a movie. They just take over your whole life. So in the film the guy has a burned up face and his girlfriend burns her face so she can be like him. With Man at The Wheel the woman keeps throwing these guys out and then she has this weird fantasy, she starts hallucinating that all these guys are around her, but that makes her crash and die from all the man-attention.
Well boy, you should see her now. That was an ex-girlfriend of mine. She hates men. [Laughs]
No. That particular girl, I was going out with her and she was a dancer. I started making films, and then she started making films.
Yeah, but then we split up and it was like our breakup was a big driving force for me to get successful and go and get my name out there because she was getting her name out there already. She’s like “I’ll get my name out there ten times more than you will get your name out there.” And she didn’t. She kind of lost it. So, I win – no I’m just kidding. [Laughs]
I started in photography, and then fanzines. That was a way for me to put photos in something. Then I switched to film because I had always wanted to do that. I thought it was a lot faster of a way to get somewhere but I don’t know what I was trying to do, and then I came back to photography. That all started in the eighties. But in the nineties, after those films, there was a point where I became a really bad drug addict and then I lost everything. I was only able to afford photographs and I kind of hit it off with that. The photos became a way I could hang out with girls without any kind of involvement other than friendship. That’s the truth. So that was my big plan. [Laughs]
It did work. I mean it wasn’t like every fucking person and their brother had a camera back then like they do now. I started shooting my friends – whoever would get their clothes off – and they would tell their friends and I would shoot them. A lot of those became the book New York Girls. It was a unique time in that there was a whole long period where there were no nude books because there was a period before that where everyone would buy all these books with nude girls in them all of the time. Taschen books just jumped right in with my work. Nowadays there’s a ton of shit out again where photographers base their whole thing on naked photos. It was good for me because there wasn’t much that was similar to what I was doing when I started. Anyway that’s what got me started, and I don’t know, I just kept going.
Well I did one shoot with girls and all of their medication, and Doubles was all double exposures that made you feel like you were on drugs when you looked at it.
Yeah they look really nice [Laughs].
I mean there’s so many.
The first thing that pops in my head—and it’s not even that outrageous – but just when – and this happens sometimes—is just when you’re getting ready to shoot someone and they just don’t want to be there, and you’re wondering, “Why did you even come?” and that’s happened quite a few times. Usually when that happens I just say, “Bye we’re done.” Another thing is back in the New York Girls days, I had all these hanging things all over the place and I had a girl hang from her feet for a photo. The rope broke and she fell on her head. I was thinking, “What if she broke her neck?” I had to call the cops and they came in my apartment and I’m like, “Her neck is broken!” She was fine. She actually got up and wanted to keep going with the photo shoot. That really made me rethink about some of the stuff I was doing though. I’m a lot safer now.